Keynote coverage

Bad audio here.

Good text updates here.

The Apple Store is down, by the way.

UPDATE: Looks like the Macalope was wrong about Safari (although he did give it a 50-50 shot). No new hardware was announced but something must be up because the Store is still down. Speed bumps?

Comments
  • John Muir:

    Apple UK store is back up* and no changes to be seen. Sorry Macalope, you can’t have a new iMac today. I feel your pain, horny chap. 😉

    *or “up” I should say as I never checked earlier.

  • Bergamot:

    Apple *really* needs more pages to be Safari-compatible. On the Mac, it doesn’t matter much, since we can still use Firefox or (shudder) IE5. On the iPhone, though, there’s Safari, and nothing else.

    Safari for Windows will:

    1. Marginally increase the user base for WebKit.
    2. Allow Windows-based web designers to test their pages on WebKit.

    And since practically nobody switches for Safari alone, it doesn’t cost them any converts, and potentially wins them more.

  • Se7en:

    I watched 3 live blogging sites…

    1) Macrumors had the best, most up to date coverage
    2) Engadget had great photos and the most indepth coverage
    3) Gizmodo had a lot of problems

  • John Muir:

    I just go with Macrumors Live and watch the real deal when it shows up in iTunes later. Oh and check my RSS including the furry one evidently.

  • John Muir:

    Oh I see … the US section of the Apple site has been redesigned with a new rather aluminum skin. Not so on the local section though, if you need a dose of apparently brand new retro!

    Goodbye Tiger style.

    As for Safari for Windows: WebKit presence is what it’s about of course. This is no direct sales trojan in the way that iTunes was for iPods first and Macs second … who would switch for a browser? BUT it is indeed a great move as Bergamot said to raise Windows web designers’ Safari awareness. And just as the iPhone is due to hit the streets too. What a coincidence!

    To me, it sounds as though the iPhone is a WebKit handheld. That’s something that other phone makers and wannabees are going to find damned difficult to clone. WinSafari makes sense as soon as you look at it that way: as the keynote’s double encore seems to indicate. (based on text here, I ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!)

    I think we’ve some interesting times still to come. How about how long it takes for Safari to become global #2 browser? Think of the compatibility implications of that.

  • mare:

    My guess is that the store was down because of new Leopard-style menu bar. It doesn’t look good in a webpage, I think. Too dark.

  • Wow. AAPL is takin a plunge.
    I guess wall street was little disappointed, hm?
    Looks like it’ll be a good time to buy some more.

  • Daniel Decker:

    Safari for Windows was made perfectly clear: iPhone Development

    iPhone uses Safari
    Only way to develop 3rd Party iPhone apps? Safari
    Need broadest market for iPhone “App” development: Safari for Windows
    There it is, plain as day.

  • @John Muir:

    Nokia already ships a browser built on WebKit with many of their high-end phones (http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/S60browser/), so they won’t have too much trouble with it.

    It’s interesting to speculate what portions of Cocoa must work with Windows to allow Safari to ship for XP and Vista. Would RSJ ever try again with YellowBox (which let NextStep apps run on Windows NT)? Might we see a future Xcode that supports Windows (and why not, maybe even iPhone) targets?

    It’s a little strange that I’ve now got a newer version of Safari running on my XP box than on my Macs…

  • DDA:

    As others have said, I think the “Safari on Windows” is basically a way to assist Windows web developers in making sure their sites render properly on the iPhone; it kills the “but I can’t *test* on anything!” excuse. The rest of the Mac-using world reaps the benefits but this is really a way to help the iPhone. In addition, given the “One LAST thing” bit, it is opening up iPhone development to Windows developers.

  • > “To me, it sounds as though the iPhone is a WebKit handheld. That’s something that other phone makers and wannabees are going to find damned difficult to clone.”

    Er, really? I would have thought Opera Mobile is on a par with Safari. And Opera’s main target nowadays is mobile and alternative browsers.

  • Jack:

    I’m not an iPhone hater…actually I’m accused of being an iPhone fanboy…but I must respond to this: “the iPhone is a WebKit handheld. that’s something that other phone makers and wannabees are going to find damned difficult to clone.”

    See, the thing is, WebKit is opensource…and Nokia has been using it on their symbian handsets for about a year.

    Related: WTF kind of “announcement” is it to say…if you want to develop an iphone app…um, develop a web app. That was the ONE MORE THING. WTF?

  • Bergamot:

    Well, he did mention that there was a decent level of integration with iPhone system functionality available, which until now was not a sure thing.

    If I can add links to webapps on my “desktop”, and hide the browser toolbars, it should be possible to make something that looks and works reasonably like a native iPhone app. For all I know, half the default loaded apps may actually be HTML-based.

    “Er, really? I would have thought Opera Mobile is on a par with Safari. And Opera’s main target nowadays is mobile and alternative browsers.”

    Having used Opera Mobile on my WM5 PocketPC a few months ago, I feel compelled to laugh at this statement, and at you for making it. Thanks.

  • artMonster:

    Good time for a link to Mr. Gruber…
    http://daringfireball.net/2007/06/itunes_plus_metadata
    scroll to joke at the bottom..

  • My guess is they want to ensure a seemless experience with their future webservices (Steve sorta mentikoned this at D), hence the Windows version of Safari. I don’t see Apple making all the effort just to give “nonbelievers” a chance to use Safari.

    But then again: Maybe the browser that’s built-in in iTunes is actually safari, so maybe they had their windows version lying around anyway and decided to release it as a seperate product just for the heck of it…

  • So… what happened? Did the Macalope vanish into thin air?

    Hey we will all wait to see what you thought of WWDC, but did you here what happened at the BLDDC?

    http://thunkdifferent.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/thanks-to-all-the-readers/

  • OMG there’s bugs in a beta version!!!!11!!1!

    http://blogs.business2.com/apple/2007/06/hackers_break_a.html

    I don’t know if I’m just a laid-back Apple zealot, but this guy actually doesn’t really bother me.
    I tried reading some of the comments, however, but got physically ill half-way through.
    For the love of Jobs please don’t ever let this forum become like that at all.
    All that’s keeping me sane in this crazy, mixed-up world is my Mac and intellectual discussion.
    Both are clearly rare and precious items.

  • Sigivald:

    I think Gruber said it best re. Safari on Windows: Google Toolbar Ad Revenue.

    Yeah, and more web-devs testing for Safari, blah blah.

    Money.

  • Bergamot:

    Yeah. but if nobody uses Safari on Windows except for web developers, the amount they’ll make from Google will be pretty minimal.

    Hell, I use Safari exclusively on my Mac, and even I don’t like the Windows version.

  • I just go with Macrumors Live and watch the real deal when it shows up in iTunes later. Oh and check my RSS including the furry one evidently.

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