Comments on: Extra Credit http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/ Apple news and analysis from everyone's favorite mythical Mac user Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:30:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: blackdan http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27644 blackdan Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:07:05 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27644 Mulitouch couldn't be done with a trackpad huh? http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/ Guess the church is all-knowing...... Mulitouch couldn’t be done with a trackpad huh?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/

Guess the church is all-knowing……

]]> By: Church of Apple http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27175 Church of Apple Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:32:18 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27175 "The MBP trackpad can detect when there is one versus two touchpoints and then tracks the overall direction–you cannot move two fingers in two different directions and have the computer track them both." "@Julian: If 2-finger scrolling is not multi-touch, then certainly the “pinch” for zooming in and out is not multitouch either. So the iPhone would not really be a multi-touch device?" Blackdan, read those two quotes. Now read them again, and again. Now punch yourself in the face. “The MBP trackpad can detect when there is one versus two touchpoints and then tracks the overall direction–you cannot move two fingers in two different directions and have the computer track them both.”

“@Julian: If 2-finger scrolling is not multi-touch, then certainly the “pinch” for zooming in and out is not multitouch either. So the iPhone would not really be a multi-touch device?”

Blackdan, read those two quotes. Now read them again, and again.
Now punch yourself in the face.

]]> By: Marc http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27118 Marc Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:56:46 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27118 I concur with A. Musing. Leo is annoying. He comes across like a wet rag. I concur with A. Musing. Leo is annoying. He comes across like a wet rag.

]]> By: a. musing http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27080 a. musing Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:31:33 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27080 Congratulations your plastic venisoness! You bring an actual interest in the subject matter to the table with a full set of fine utensils! and <b>Borgendorf</b> *ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!* You are <i>correct</i> sir! Every time I listen to one of Leo's podcasts (which I do less and less these days), Leo seems to spend most of the time Googling what his guests are telling him so we get dead air while he does his show prep. I'm torn between being irritated at him and embarrassed for him. The <i>only</i> thing that keeps me interested is the mix of guests (tips hat to odd antlered creature standing at the front of the comments room). Congratulations your plastic venisoness! You bring an actual interest in the subject matter to the table with a full set of fine utensils!

and Borgendorf
*ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!*
You are correct sir!

Every time I listen to one of Leo’s podcasts (which I do less and less these days), Leo seems to spend most of the time Googling what his guests are telling him so we get dead air while he does his show prep. I’m torn between being irritated at him and embarrassed for him. The only thing that keeps me interested is the mix of guests (tips hat to odd antlered creature standing at the front of the comments room).

]]> By: Blackdan http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27059 Blackdan Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:26:28 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27059 @Julian: If 2-finger scrolling is not multi-touch, then certainly the "pinch" for zooming in and out is not multitouch either. So the iPhone would not really be a multi-touch device? We've (probably) all seen the videos of these massive Multitouch screens and you see them doing the "pinch", but they only move 1 finger and hold the other one in place.... So this is not true multitouch unless someone else is doing something completely different on the same surface? (Well, we won't be needing THAT on the iPhone, the display is barely large enough for 1 person.... ) I can only conclude that the iPhone screen is just a "trackpad" @Julian: If 2-finger scrolling is not multi-touch, then certainly the “pinch” for zooming in and out is not multitouch either. So the iPhone would not really be a multi-touch device?

We’ve (probably) all seen the videos of these massive Multitouch screens and you see them doing the “pinch”, but they only move 1 finger and hold the other one in place…. So this is not true multitouch unless someone else is doing something completely different on the same surface? (Well, we won’t be needing THAT on the iPhone, the display is barely large enough for 1 person…. )

I can only conclude that the iPhone screen is just a “trackpad”

]]> By: Neil http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27056 Neil Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:21:34 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-27056 Mr Jobs said that Apple is a 'software company'. Apple has removed 'Computer' from its company name. He said that a 'powerful way forward' is the 'marriage of Client Apps with Cloud Services'. Possible dotMac is integrated into the iPhone and is usable by both Windows and Mac users like iTunes and the "online offerings" relate to Client App (devices?) that access Cloud Services data. Mr Jobs said that Apple is a ’software company’. Apple has removed ‘Computer’ from its company name. He said that a ‘powerful way forward’ is the ‘marriage of Client Apps with Cloud Services’. Possible dotMac is integrated into the iPhone and is usable by both Windows and Mac users like iTunes and the “online offerings” relate to Client App (devices?) that access Cloud Services data.

]]> By: Borgendorf http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26882 Borgendorf Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:47:18 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26882 A simple pitch shift in Soundtrack (+307) has proved to me that the Macalope is not Merlin nor Andy Ihnatko. Hearing your *real* voice doesn't really help me, since I haven't heard very many Mac pundits voices anyway :) But I would like to thank you for being a guest on Mac Break Weekly who was actually up on the latest news of the week. I think the others, especially Lea, are spread too thin to focus on the Mac. A simple pitch shift in Soundtrack (+307) has proved to me that the Macalope is not Merlin nor Andy Ihnatko. Hearing your *real* voice doesn’t really help me, since I haven’t heard very many Mac pundits voices anyway :)

But I would like to thank you for being a guest on Mac Break Weekly who was actually up on the latest news of the week. I think the others, especially Lea, are spread too thin to focus on the Mac.

]]> By: julian http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26881 julian Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:46:44 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26881 Two-finger scrolling is most definitely not "multi-touch". At least in HCI circles, multi-touch refers to being able to separately track multiple touchpoints across a surface. The MBP trackpad can detect when there is one versus two touchpoints and then tracks the overall direction--you cannot move two fingers in two different directions and have the computer track them both. The initial multi-touch research placed large importance on multiple people touching a surface--each could be manipulating their own object--or on using two hands to manipulate things. The iPhone doesn't seem to emphasize or need such functionality, but that's what I think of when I hear "multi-touch". Two-finger scrolling is most definitely not “multi-touch”.

At least in HCI circles, multi-touch refers to being able to separately track multiple touchpoints across a surface. The MBP trackpad can detect when there is one versus two touchpoints and then tracks the overall direction–you cannot move two fingers in two different directions and have the computer track them both.

The initial multi-touch research placed large importance on multiple people touching a surface–each could be manipulating their own object–or on using two hands to manipulate things. The iPhone doesn’t seem to emphasize or need such functionality, but that’s what I think of when I hear “multi-touch”.

]]> By: bc http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26865 bc Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:57:30 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26865 though I have no 1st-hand knowledge on it, I'm certain it's safe to say there are NO cameras involved in the iPhone's touch screen.... (wait a few weeks for the teardown reports or FCC photos to appear and you'll see that's correct) remember that Microsoft's Surface is a very different beast, with images projected from below onto the back of the glass tabletop, versus a conventional LCD display panel for the iPhone (LCD display panels are not see-through, BTW) and as been stated already, the MBP's touchpad uses an unrelated non-optical method as do conventional touchscreens or the iPod scrollwheel. though I have no 1st-hand knowledge on it, I’m certain it’s safe to say there are NO cameras involved in the iPhone’s touch screen…. (wait a few weeks for the teardown reports or FCC photos to appear and you’ll see that’s correct)

remember that Microsoft’s Surface is a very different beast, with images projected from below onto the back of the glass tabletop, versus a conventional LCD display panel for the iPhone (LCD display panels are not see-through, BTW)

and as been stated already, the MBP’s touchpad uses an unrelated non-optical method as do conventional touchscreens or the iPod scrollwheel.

]]> By: Dan http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26838 Dan Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:49:05 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/2007/06/06/extra-credit/#comment-26838 Then again… maybe it doesn't after all. Then again… maybe it doesn’t after all.

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