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		<title>By: Blain</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Blain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because you&#039;re looking at it from an end user&#039;s point of view. It&#039;s like trying to view things from a murderer&#039;s twisted mind. Only it&#039;s a convicted monopolist instead.

The end user is NOT the customer. The OS is NOT a part of the computer. The computer companies are the customers. The computer is meant to be an enabler of the OS. You want to sell as many copies as possible, especially if it&#039;s multiple copies per one machine. This is most obvious with Home Basic.

Home Basic has two purposes: To let MS fans claim that they have a better price point than OSX, and to pre-install on bargain basement systems. The hope here is that, given how crippled Basic is, the end user will go and buy an upgrade to Premium. Hopefully, after Premium feels limited, they will go and get Ultimate.

Having multiple versions give your customers (The OEM machine makers) another tick mark to sell on (Comes with Home Premium!) with the higher end systems, and let you sell the same software again and again, while they wait for another 5 years for an OS release. Were they to simply have one user-level version, most XP sales would have dried up by 2002, as a user getting a processor upgrade or more RAM does MS no good.

Sucks, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because you&#8217;re looking at it from an end user&#8217;s point of view. It&#8217;s like trying to view things from a murderer&#8217;s twisted mind. Only it&#8217;s a convicted monopolist instead.</p>
<p>The end user is NOT the customer. The OS is NOT a part of the computer. The computer companies are the customers. The computer is meant to be an enabler of the OS. You want to sell as many copies as possible, especially if it&#8217;s multiple copies per one machine. This is most obvious with Home Basic.</p>
<p>Home Basic has two purposes: To let MS fans claim that they have a better price point than OSX, and to pre-install on bargain basement systems. The hope here is that, given how crippled Basic is, the end user will go and buy an upgrade to Premium. Hopefully, after Premium feels limited, they will go and get Ultimate.</p>
<p>Having multiple versions give your customers (The OEM machine makers) another tick mark to sell on (Comes with Home Premium!) with the higher end systems, and let you sell the same software again and again, while they wait for another 5 years for an OS release. Were they to simply have one user-level version, most XP sales would have dried up by 2002, as a user getting a processor upgrade or more RAM does MS no good.</p>
<p>Sucks, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 05:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still agog at the notion of six different versions. Even if only four are widely distributed here, I still don&#039;t understand the point. Why bother with so much of the differentiation? If you&#039;ve spent the money developing the &quot;Ultimate&quot;, why not drop the price a bit and offer that as the upgrade to some &#039;Home Network&#039; system?

I guess I can rule out the &#039;Family Pack&#039; version, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still agog at the notion of six different versions. Even if only four are widely distributed here, I still don&#8217;t understand the point. Why bother with so much of the differentiation? If you&#8217;ve spent the money developing the &#8220;Ultimate&#8221;, why not drop the price a bit and offer that as the upgrade to some &#8216;Home Network&#8217; system?</p>
<p>I guess I can rule out the &#8216;Family Pack&#8217; version, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Blain</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>Blain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, oh why, do people still think that Microsoft cares about their users? Microsoft is a business. Businesses care about their customers. The end user is not Microsoft&#039;s customer. Dell is. Or HP. Or Leveno.

To that end, there is a method to the madness. It&#039;s still madness, but:

Starter: For developing countries, with cheap parts. Most likely, 256MB of RAM is not a harsh limit there, as the computers aren&#039;t exactly top-of-the-line. This is to compete against bootlegs of WIndows 98.

Home basic: Think of any brand at Best Buy that sells for $100 and have the latest in cardboard computer cases. Bet you they don&#039;t pre-install Ultimate Edition.

Home Premium: Alright, this is for the Dells. Joe sixpack won&#039;t bother with a network. The only reason that the system has an ethernet port is to hook up to AOL&#039;s DSL or Comcast&#039;s modem, where he can be on the intarweb. Perhaps it&#039;s best that they don&#039;t have AD support; It&#039;d only be used by the trojans and spyware.

Business: Here&#039;s the real reason for the lack of AD in &#039;Premium&#039;: Business is beyond &#039;premium&#039; in prices. So here&#039;s where Dell steps in for the software for executives, the VP&#039;s laptop, etc. But there&#039;s one more cow to milk!

Enterprise: Of course, a business needs servers. I suppose if you want to keep to the comparison, Enterprise is OS X Server, while all the others are OS X. Because this has Virtual PC to combat VMWare, etc. It&#039;s not sold to us because it goes into Dell&#039;s rack servers. That&#039;s all.

Ultimate: This is for all the people who are actually asking, &#039;What Vista should I have?&#039; instead of simply getting it with their new machine. Ones that actually upgrade their systems instead of buying a new computer when the HD fails. Ones that, when getting a new system, put it together themselves. They know the license is transferrable. Some of them even grab their OS from pirate sites, or worse yet, install a free OS! Microsoft hates these people, because these are the ones who will re-buy the OS the least. So of course they&#039;re going to go the highway robbery route! If they won&#039;t buy 3 copies over the OS&#039;s lifetime, charge three times the cost!

Now does it make (twisted) sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, oh why, do people still think that Microsoft cares about their users? Microsoft is a business. Businesses care about their customers. The end user is not Microsoft&#8217;s customer. Dell is. Or HP. Or Leveno.</p>
<p>To that end, there is a method to the madness. It&#8217;s still madness, but:</p>
<p>Starter: For developing countries, with cheap parts. Most likely, 256MB of RAM is not a harsh limit there, as the computers aren&#8217;t exactly top-of-the-line. This is to compete against bootlegs of WIndows 98.</p>
<p>Home basic: Think of any brand at Best Buy that sells for $100 and have the latest in cardboard computer cases. Bet you they don&#8217;t pre-install Ultimate Edition.</p>
<p>Home Premium: Alright, this is for the Dells. Joe sixpack won&#8217;t bother with a network. The only reason that the system has an ethernet port is to hook up to AOL&#8217;s DSL or Comcast&#8217;s modem, where he can be on the intarweb. Perhaps it&#8217;s best that they don&#8217;t have AD support; It&#8217;d only be used by the trojans and spyware.</p>
<p>Business: Here&#8217;s the real reason for the lack of AD in &#8216;Premium&#8217;: Business is beyond &#8216;premium&#8217; in prices. So here&#8217;s where Dell steps in for the software for executives, the VP&#8217;s laptop, etc. But there&#8217;s one more cow to milk!</p>
<p>Enterprise: Of course, a business needs servers. I suppose if you want to keep to the comparison, Enterprise is OS X Server, while all the others are OS X. Because this has Virtual PC to combat VMWare, etc. It&#8217;s not sold to us because it goes into Dell&#8217;s rack servers. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Ultimate: This is for all the people who are actually asking, &#8216;What Vista should I have?&#8217; instead of simply getting it with their new machine. Ones that actually upgrade their systems instead of buying a new computer when the HD fails. Ones that, when getting a new system, put it together themselves. They know the license is transferrable. Some of them even grab their OS from pirate sites, or worse yet, install a free OS! Microsoft hates these people, because these are the ones who will re-buy the OS the least. So of course they&#8217;re going to go the highway robbery route! If they won&#8217;t buy 3 copies over the OS&#8217;s lifetime, charge three times the cost!</p>
<p>Now does it make (twisted) sense?</p>
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		<title>By: John C. Welch</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>John C. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying that the many SKUs and associated overhead that six versions of Windows (in THIS country alone) create is a reason why Windows isn&#039;t more expensive fails any kind of logic test. How much more money do they spend on the campaigns to convince you to buy the &quot;better&quot; version of Vista? It&#039;s more than a dollar. Millions of times more.

The complexity of creating, supporting, and marketing n versions of Vista have a, (i&#039;ll bet) significant effect on the price of Vista and it&#039;s not a downward effect at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying that the many SKUs and associated overhead that six versions of Windows (in THIS country alone) create is a reason why Windows isn&#8217;t more expensive fails any kind of logic test. How much more money do they spend on the campaigns to convince you to buy the &#8220;better&#8221; version of Vista? It&#8217;s more than a dollar. Millions of times more.</p>
<p>The complexity of creating, supporting, and marketing n versions of Vista have a, (i&#8217;ll bet) significant effect on the price of Vista and it&#8217;s not a downward effect at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Geek Brief 10-26-06 &#171; GGTD-Geeks Guide To Getting Things Done</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>Geek Brief 10-26-06 &#171; GGTD-Geeks Guide To Getting Things Done</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Macalope has some tips for those thinking of &#8220;upgrading&#8221; to Vista. Is it Vista Starter, which can only access 256 MB of RAM and run a maximum of three applications at a time and doesn’t include the Aero Glass interface? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Macalope has some tips for those thinking of &#8220;upgrading&#8221; to Vista. Is it Vista Starter, which can only access 256 MB of RAM and run a maximum of three applications at a time and doesn’t include the Aero Glass interface? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jimy Soprano</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimy Soprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone miss this?

With the starter version, MS has limited your computer usage? Reads, VistaChristian is next where you can&#039;t access porn or listen to death metal.

They released Vista starter already less they forget, it was called XP. Old versions usher in new and making a software that limits itself before the box is even purchased is ludacris.

The computer industry has been based around this concept since it&#039;s inception. What is the difference between my $49.00 router and a $79.00 one by the same manufacturer with &quot;speed burst&quot;? The data comes in port A and goes into my computer? Why not just make the data travel as fast as you possibly can in both routers and not go out of your way to sabatage my router to not connect sometimes. It would save me a headache and maybe I would think about buying a product from you in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone miss this?</p>
<p>With the starter version, MS has limited your computer usage? Reads, VistaChristian is next where you can&#8217;t access porn or listen to death metal.</p>
<p>They released Vista starter already less they forget, it was called XP. Old versions usher in new and making a software that limits itself before the box is even purchased is ludacris.</p>
<p>The computer industry has been based around this concept since it&#8217;s inception. What is the difference between my $49.00 router and a $79.00 one by the same manufacturer with &#8220;speed burst&#8221;? The data comes in port A and goes into my computer? Why not just make the data travel as fast as you possibly can in both routers and not go out of your way to sabatage my router to not connect sometimes. It would save me a headache and maybe I would think about buying a product from you in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Ebel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Macalope says &#8220;You’ve gotta be kidding.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Ebel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Macalope says &#8220;You’ve gotta be kidding.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A little gem of an article from The Macalope makes me glad I do all this- music, podcasting, web design -on a Mac. Those of you still stuck using (rather, being used by) Windows have this to look forward to: Which Vista Is the Right Vista? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A little gem of an article from The Macalope makes me glad I do all this- music, podcasting, web design -on a Mac. Those of you still stuck using (rather, being used by) Windows have this to look forward to: Which Vista Is the Right Vista? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree, especially about the split in the Home (basic/premium) edition. However, I think it is also unfair to compare it with OS X.

Apple is mostly a hardware company. When Apple want to squeeze cash from professionals or businesses, they can ship the same OS X version on a more expensive machine. The can simply choose to make more profit (as in, higher margins) from Mac(book) Pro&#039;s if they want, and that&#039;s a good business strategy. Especially when your licensing forbids installing OS X on another custom built (high-end) machine.

Microsoft doesn&#039;t have this luxury. So they have to differentiate for their markets, and it&#039;s not a very bad strategy per sé. My mother uses Windows in a totally different way than an investment banker or a developer. If they wouldn&#039;t differentiate, Windows would probably more expensive for most consumers (and cheaper for small businesses).

Just for the record, it&#039;s not like I like defending Vista. If you want to pick on Vista, I suggest doing it on the crappy software experience (see this for example http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/84-web-developers-microsoft-has-no-idea-whats-going-on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree, especially about the split in the Home (basic/premium) edition. However, I think it is also unfair to compare it with OS X.</p>
<p>Apple is mostly a hardware company. When Apple want to squeeze cash from professionals or businesses, they can ship the same OS X version on a more expensive machine. The can simply choose to make more profit (as in, higher margins) from Mac(book) Pro&#8217;s if they want, and that&#8217;s a good business strategy. Especially when your licensing forbids installing OS X on another custom built (high-end) machine.</p>
<p>Microsoft doesn&#8217;t have this luxury. So they have to differentiate for their markets, and it&#8217;s not a very bad strategy per sé. My mother uses Windows in a totally different way than an investment banker or a developer. If they wouldn&#8217;t differentiate, Windows would probably more expensive for most consumers (and cheaper for small businesses).</p>
<p>Just for the record, it&#8217;s not like I like defending Vista. If you want to pick on Vista, I suggest doing it on the crappy software experience (see this for example <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/84-web-developers-microsoft-has-no-idea-whats-going-on" rel="nofollow">http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/84-web-developers-microsoft-has-no-idea-whats-going-on</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Macalope</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Macalope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, technically you are correct, but the Macalope has to got with John on this.  There are five or six desktop versions of Windows and one version of OS X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, technically you are correct, but the Macalope has to got with John on this.  There are five or six desktop versions of Windows and one version of OS X.</p>
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		<title>By: jedi2187</title>
		<link>http://www.macalope.com/2006/10/24/youve-gotta-be-kidding/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>jedi2187</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the last section of the article:

&quot;Oh, but before I go, let me add that the Linux and Mac desktops, are every bit as good now, if not better, than Vista will be tomorrow.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the last section of the article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, but before I go, let me add that the Linux and Mac desktops, are every bit as good now, if not better, than Vista will be tomorrow.&#8221;</p>
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