Comments on: Apple responds to George Ou http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/ Apple news and analysis from everyone's favorite mythical Mac user Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:48:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: blabberz » Apple security shenanigans revealed at last http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-341 blabberz » Apple security shenanigans revealed at last Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:49:36 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-341 [...] Perhaps in response to a plethora of insane mac bloggers and friends, Johnny Cache, known for both pointing out the “Mac user base aura of smugness on security” and his desire to “stab one of those [Mac] users in the eye with a lit cigarette or something” on the Dailydav list: anyone qualified to sit and discuss the look and feel of changes of Mail.app probably has no idea what ring0 code execution means. [...] [...] Perhaps in response to a plethora of insane mac bloggers and friends, Johnny Cache, known for both pointing out the “Mac user base aura of smugness on security” and his desire to “stab one of those [Mac] users in the eye with a lit cigarette or something” on the Dailydav list: anyone qualified to sit and discuss the look and feel of changes of Mail.app probably has no idea what ring0 code execution means. [...]

]]> By: GREESE http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-210 GREESE Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:23:48 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-210 Up until recently, I have always liked Geoge Ou's security posts which can be found in various places. This Apple /SecureWorks thing is becoming more of a soap opera than necessary. Is he dating one of those guys or what? why is he inserting himself into this drama? It certainly isn't to improve his respectibility or reputation. I fear that may be forever gone. Here's all that matters as far as I am concerned: some WiFi drivers from Apple and/or other third party vendors had some flaws which could have been exploited and those have been fixed. excellent. can we all get back to our lives now? I'll update my drivers and George and the SecureWorks guys can go on a long romantic gataway and talk about how much smarter than Apple they really are and massage the chip on each other's shoulders. Up until recently, I have always liked Geoge Ou’s security posts which can be found in various places. This Apple /SecureWorks thing is becoming more of a soap opera than necessary. Is he dating one of those guys or what? why is he inserting himself into this drama? It certainly isn’t to improve his respectibility or reputation. I fear that may be forever gone.

Here’s all that matters as far as I am concerned:

some WiFi drivers from Apple and/or other third party vendors had some flaws which could have been exploited and those have been fixed.

excellent. can we all get back to our lives now? I’ll update my drivers and George and the SecureWorks guys can go on a long romantic gataway and talk about how much smarter than Apple they really are and massage the chip on each other’s shoulders.

]]> By: Gary Patterson http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-192 Gary Patterson Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:50:16 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-192 I don't think it's a bonanza for Ou. He's now completely dependant upon other people for his journalistic integrity. If Maynor and Ellch don't deliver, he's proved to be a joke in the industry, the willing dupe of others. If they do, he's vindicated and everything's okay. That's the position of a biased commentator. Someone presenting facts has no stake either way. Ou took a side, and now his reputation is on the line but nothing he can do or say can influence the outcome. He's no journalist, that's for sure. I don’t think it’s a bonanza for Ou. He’s now completely dependant upon other people for his journalistic integrity. If Maynor and Ellch don’t deliver, he’s proved to be a joke in the industry, the willing dupe of others. If they do, he’s vindicated and everything’s okay.

That’s the position of a biased commentator. Someone presenting facts has no stake either way. Ou took a side, and now his reputation is on the line but nothing he can do or say can influence the outcome.

He’s no journalist, that’s for sure.

]]> By: John C. Welch http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-189 John C. Welch Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:23:23 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-189 Well of COURSE not. Before this started, who had heard of Georgie POurgie? NO ONE. Now, he's all "Intarweb Famous". This has been a bonanza for him. You know he'll be sorry to see it end. Well of COURSE not. Before this started, who had heard of Georgie POurgie?

NO

ONE.

Now, he’s all “Intarweb Famous”.

This has been a bonanza for him. You know he’ll be sorry to see it end.

]]> By: V-Train http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-186 V-Train Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:32:55 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-186 The hypocrisy that is Ou never ends. While he says not to assume anything, from the beginning he has assumed Apple is lying and hiding the "truth." He certainly didn't hold off on making judgments. The hypocrisy that is Ou never ends. While he says not to assume anything, from the beginning he has assumed Apple is lying and hiding the “truth.”

He certainly didn’t hold off on making judgments.

]]> By: Scott http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-185 Scott Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:23:57 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-185 The guys were playing sneaky to begin with. Instead of using a PC, they used a mac just to get a visceral reaction. I thought it was clear that they used 3rd party drivers, but apparently that message didn't sink in to most people reading/hearing the news, so maybe not. At any rate, they wanted a reaction and they got it. Boo hoo. They need to just do stuff open and honestly and stuff like this won't happen. The guys were playing sneaky to begin with. Instead of using a PC, they used a mac just to get a visceral reaction. I thought it was clear that they used 3rd party drivers, but apparently that message didn’t sink in to most people reading/hearing the news, so maybe not. At any rate, they wanted a reaction and they got it. Boo hoo. They need to just do stuff open and honestly and stuff like this won’t happen.

]]> By: dino http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-184 dino Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:06:48 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-184 ^However, that's refutable as well. Why would Apple, a pretty damn big company, lie about a simple security problem? They would be taking way too big of a risk on their PR front instead of just coming out and saying they had an issue (or not saying anything at all, and just releasing an update without giving much of an explanation). I guess we'll have to wait until Maynor and Ellch give their 'explanation'... ^However, that’s refutable as well. Why would Apple, a pretty damn big company, lie about a simple security problem? They would be taking way too big of a risk on their PR front instead of just coming out and saying they had an issue (or not saying anything at all, and just releasing an update without giving much of an explanation). I guess we’ll have to wait until Maynor and Ellch give their ‘explanation’…

]]> By: John C. Welch http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-182 John C. Welch Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:48:57 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-182 The thing of it is, all Ou, and the other two have to do is say "Oh yes we did send it to them". How can Apple prove they didn't? They can't, not really. Aside from not being able to prove a negative, the volume of data required to come close would border on Ludicrous Size. MOuE can claim *anything* and place any denials by Apple in the "vast consipiracy" that they've already alluded to. Pretty handy when you think about it. The thing of it is, all Ou, and the other two have to do is say “Oh yes we did send it to them”. How can Apple prove they didn’t? They can’t, not really. Aside from not being able to prove a negative, the volume of data required to come close would border on Ludicrous Size.

MOuE can claim *anything* and place any denials by Apple in the “vast consipiracy” that they’ve already alluded to. Pretty handy when you think about it.

]]> By: keith http://www.macalope.com/2006/09/25/apple-responds-to-george-ou/comment-page-1/#comment-181 keith Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:48:55 +0000 http://www.macalope.com/?p=36#comment-181 George Ou does look a bit silly now huh! Although I suppose it's better than looking silly *and* deceitful which how Maynor and Ellch look. George Ou does look a bit silly now huh!

Although I suppose it’s better than looking silly *and* deceitful which how Maynor and Ellch look.

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